Conspiracy Theories...do you believe?

[ELDoro]

thespungo, your saying where is all the evidence? You need to give even more concrete evidence saying there is some conspiracy. How I see it there is a lot more evidence supporting the terrorist attack. I have seen the movies, video, arguements, ect....... I find it all VERY commical yet entertaining.

[thespungo]

thespungo, your saying where is all the evidence? You need to give even more concrete evidence saying there is some conspiracy. How I see it there is a lot more evidence supporting the terrorist attack. I have seen the movies, video, arguements, ect....... I find it all VERY commical yet entertaining.

Well duh, we all saw the videos. Everyone in America was watching television that day. If you'd watch the documentary 'Loose Change' and read all of these posts, we're questing not if the attack happened at all, but who attacked us and why.

What evidence do you have that supports the theory that Islamic terrorists attacked us? You personally have nothing, you were told that by the media. While that counts for something, are you willing to take everything fed to you by the media as 100% truth?

[Sean O]

Always be careful when shaving with Occam's Razor...

Oh be serious.

What evidence? We all watched on television as planes crashed into buildings and we were told it was Islamic terrorists.

You're right, the video of the people going through security must be fake.

That's the only evidence we're allowed to see, as the government has hidden all the other "evidence."

What evidence do you think is hidden? Do you realize how insane it is to say that evidence exists and we just can't see it? You can't prove the existence of something this way.

Well there must be evidence somewhere.

Horrible reasoning.

How about the planes? Nope, they all mysteriously incinerated and disppeared.

You're right, this is shocking. A plane travelling at 500 mph loaded for a cross-country flight full of highly volatile fuel which slammed into 3 of the largest buildings on the planet should have nary a scratch on it upon impact. Once again, be serious.

What about the buildings? Nope, they collapsed in a scene much akin to a Las Vegas casino implosion.

Did you actually do any research on the subject of how the WTC failed? The exoskeletal support system was incapable of mainting structural integrity with the gaping hole in the side. Eventually, after the aforementioned volatile fuel kept the fire burning for upwards of an hour, the WTC floors buckled, causing the building to fall vertically downwards, because the government must've invented gravity, too.

Well then what about documents, there must be documents! Nope, they all were destroyed when the other World Trade Center building collapsed... that was a few blocks away from the twin towers.

What documents? What possible documents are you looking for?

But who needs physical evidence when we can just believe our government? They'll tell us the truth!

Or, you can use basic, common sense. Saying that you have questions about 9/11 is perfectly fine, I did as well. But making the ridiculous leap to saying the government was behind it is ludicrous, and makes you look insane.

I don't like this administration, but I'm not a nut. Nothing that happened is out of the ordinary.

[ELDoro]

evidence? Osama attacking the towers the first time....Osama admitting the second time.

I have seen the videos.... I have also seen Michael Moore's videos and the Lunar Landing movies.....for a fact both of those movies have lied and been proven lied. You believing something just because you saw a video on it is in the same boat with you scrutinizing the american people for listening to the govt.....actually no wait its not anything like that its 10x more foolish.

[rickel2]

conspiracy is REAL. loose change is a very recent example of the shadow govt of the ruling - monied - elite that are wanting to move us quickly to a one world order.

it is very real. and, it is evolving before our eyes.

deception in high places is nothing new. american history - true american history - is replete with instances where the people have been deceived by a powerful ruling elite.

try reading THE CREATURE FROM JEKYLL ISLAND by g. edward griffin.

how many hours do you have. i have read and read many well referenced books and articles on the shadow govt and the powers that be. it is as real as the dodgers having moved from brooklyn, believe me.

" The Love of money is the root of all evil. "

...and now back to the game as the dollar crisis unfolds before us.

[thespungo]

KC, you can go ahead and close up this thread now. Sean O and ElDoro have proven the U.S. did not have a hand in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

[chipper]

The producer of this video brings up quite a few points why he thinks the attack was planned. I wouldn't just believe that everything he says are true but some of the points he made did make some to me.

The government confisticated all the tapes that recorded the pentagon crash and then later decides to release 5 frames which shows no signs of the plane. I mean, are they deliberately trying to make us believe that there was no plane?

Also the passport that out-survived 4 black boxes made of the most durable material known to men was pretty convincing but the Kevin Ryan guy getting fired from his position was a little sad :cry:

Most of all, sudden evacuation drills and the removal of the bomb detecting dogs in the weeks prior to 9/11 from the WTC which was under Bush's control and all these jet fighters flying over to Canada make this a pretty good and valid conspiracy theory at least.

[rickel2]

that's the problem. everyone is just supposed to be quiet and go back to sleep as if everything is just fine. it's not. the price of your gas is going up because the value of the dollar is going down. less value to the dollar means having to pay more for a gallon of gas. where is all that money going. to the people who already have it.

the standard of living is declining every day, and a small group of very wealthy people are holding all the cards.

not much to do about it but pray which is most important. it is always good to be aware of the realities of life in this world and to be aware of one's enemies.

a little sleep. a little slumber and boy can you get in trouble.

[tebjr]

I'm not saying that our government didn't do some things to lead up to the attacks, but to say they done it is not only crazy, but completely asinine. I'm know our government is backstabbing and conniving, but there are people out there that hate our way of life so much that they would go to these lengths.

I guess next your gonna tell me the government cooked up the whole Katrina thing to.

[rickel2]

russia has advanced telsa weather technology. they are part of the elite.

[tebjr]

not much to do about it but pray which is most important. .

That is the most intelligent thing said in this whole thread. Thank you.

[Kccitystar]

This has been one interesting semi-political discussion indeed and I appreciate the views and opinions shared by everyone on this thread. However, I've come to a conclusion that we may never really know what happened that day. What we do know for sure is that President Bush has got to go. Him and his henchmen. To me he's concentrated more on trying to be World Cop instead of focusing on the problems that lie within our nation.

I mean he's trying to go to war with Iran. What good is that going to do....Oil, anyone?

[rickel2]

watch and oray. no one knows the day or the hour except the father. Jeses come quickly!

[rickel2]

getting used to my new laptop keyboard.

sorry

watch and pray. no one knows the day or the hour but the father. Jesus come quickly!

[lautrec]

Every action, reaction, movement, decision or idea by any government (Republican, democrat, libertarian, communist, parlimentary, etc.) will be under suspicion of conspiracy. Is some of it true? Perhaps. Is much of the conspiracy theory regurgitated out simply conjecture and made up crap? Yep.

I recommend you support your government (if you are a US citizen) by voting for those you believe are less "conspiratorial" if that is your conviction. Alternately, you yourself can run for public office, and try to affect change as you see the need.

In the mean time, place your faith in something real. Governments are temporary. Your time on this earth is temporary. This is NOT your true home.

[Kccitystar]

Admins, merge this with the existing thread....

-KC

[lautrec]

Oh, and for those of you who believe that Iraq is about oil....well, yeah, I believe it probably is. Here's the deal: We (the US) are dependant upon oil. I believe we all pretty much use it in some way or other. We all like to keep our houses heated, we all like to drive everywhere we go. We like the by products of oil like tires, plastics, etc. We consumers, just love the oil. So do many other nations. We are, in essence, if competition with other nations for that oil supply. To believe we aren't is naive.

The oil argument only works insofar that we are willing to give it up. Alternative fuels? Be nice, but they aren't here yet. Oil is key to our way of life, whether we choose to admit it or not. However, we citizens have the luxury of sitting on our spoiled American butts, and criticizing those who have to make the hard decisions. Could you imagine the uproar about President Bush is he allowed the flow of oil to be controlled by the Muslim nations in the middle east, and they cut it off?

Like I said, we get to sit here and complain, GUESSING at the real picture, and what is really happening worldwide. We have the luxury of IMAGINING conspiracies and calling the President and his cabinet any name or label we wish to hang on them, based on our opinions, that we gather supportive evidence from places like ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, Michael Moore, Hollywood Actors, THE INTERNET, New York Times, Washington Post, etc. All of these have an agenda, and they all SPIN.

But we are are quick to condemn, whether its President Bush and 911, or Bill Clinton and the Oklahoma City Bombing or his selling secrets to China. Whether its Carter and his blunders with Iran, and everything else, or whether its JFK and all that rigamaroll. We LOVE our conspiracies.

[Sean O]

KC, you can go ahead and close up this thread now. Sean O and ElDoro have proven the U.S. did not have a hand in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Provide the slightest bit of proof apart from conjecture and I will consider it.

I've seen the videos, I've looked at the sites, and I've seen the pictures. None of them provide evidence apart from a guy's friend's bartender's cousin who was next to the pentagon when it was hit, saying it was a cruise missile instead of a plane.

Please provide proof for the two claims you are making, since it is false to say there's just one. 1). that Arabic terrorists did not hijack the flights, and 2). that the U.S. government is behind it.

I backed up my point of view, now PPOR.

[AlexTony]

This is pretty 'Wild' I just finished watching the pilot episode for the old 'Lone Gunmen' series with no idea this thread was going on. I picked it up today and decided to watch it at around 7:45pm. It was first aired in March of '01 :wink:

Cartman "Hmm, swamp gas huh"

Stan "Yeah, that what they said it was"

Cartman "Don't tell Mulder that"

[RedSoxFox7]

I didn't bother reading the thread, but Loose Change is so completely garbage that even conspiracy hypothesis (theories require factual backing) websites are calling it trash.

You really have to be completely brain dead to believe the stuff they're pushing on you in that video.

For some legitimate information try giving this Popular Mechanics article a read:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html

To see that even conspiracy hypothesists think Loose Change is garbage, give this review a read:

http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html

[thespungo]

It's funny how quickly this turned into a religious "let's support the president and pray for this all to be over" thread.

Anyways, no one here has any more proof or evidence than anyone else does. We all saw the TV broadcasts that day, and we all heard the play-by-play that the government and media fed us. No one has anymore 'evidence' than that, and none of us ever will. Just like the JFK assassination documents are sealed and re-sealed every few decades, the facts about those days events will un-doubtedly never be revealed to the public.

In the meantime, all we can do as citizens is speculate. Question our government. Question what we see on the TV. The movie 'Loose Change' merely brings up topics that we should think about and discuss. I'm sure the movie isn't 100% accurate, but that should not diminish it's purpose -- to get us, as a society, to grow up and realize we're not always being told the truth. The government has always been shady, and it would be naive to think that everything they've been telling us the past few years is true.

I saw this and found it to be rather pertinent --

"Socrates taught his students that the pursuit of truth can only begin once they start to question and analyze every belief that they ever held dear. If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous."

I don't know what happend that day anymore than any of you do. I just feel that we're not being told all there is to tell about the events of 9/11. Believe what you want, but there's no need to call me crazy or asinine...

[OleEnglishD]

This has been one interesting semi-political discussion indeed and I appreciate the views and opinions shared by everyone on this thread. However, I've come to a conclusion that we may never really know what happened that day. What we do know for sure is that President Bush has got to go. Him and his henchmen. To me he's concentrated more on trying to be World Cop instead of focusing on the problems that lie within our nation.

I mean he's trying to go to war with Iran. What good is that going to do....Oil, anyone?

I could not have said it better myself. The way that the Bush Administration used 9/11 as a political weapon is a disgrace. They act like we need them as protectors and that curving back are freedoms for security is just. A Great man once said "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security."

But that is just my take, I am a bias liberal democratic political activist and all. Seriously. :protest:

[HardcoreLegend]

Socrates also killed himself.

[thespungo]

Socrates also killed himself.

Or he was put to death. But for the sake of trying to discredit my quote, you're more correct.

[ELDoro]

Just because you say there is no evidence does not mean that statement is true. You have just merely overlooked it for the sake of your own arguement. I'm not saying that looking into the arguement of the conspiracy is wrong but totally discounting the evidence supporting no conspiracy is pretty foolish given the amount of it.

"If a certain belief passes the tests of evidence, deduction, and logic, it should be kept. If it doesn't, the belief should not only be discarded, but the thinker must also then question why he was led to believe the erroneous."

---please look at your own quote again

One thing only I know, and that is that I know nothing. -socrates