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Consider this the new feedback thread for TotalMinors.

The latest, and FINAL UPDATE to TotalMinors '04 has been released for MVP Baseball. It's been a ton of work (those of you who know my methods know the detail that goes into these).

V4 is now available at www.rosterdevelopmentgroup.com. It will also be sent to MVPMods and to BBSC.

VERSION 4 REVISIONS:

__ Minor league reliever staminas have been adjusted relative to major league staminas to better reflect the number of pitches they would throw and represent their value according to the MVP engine. I did this with the major leaguers in v3, but the problem was since I didn't do it across the board in the minors as well, minor league relievers were essentially getting a ratings bonus for having better stamina. Unfortunately, in sims, the PC STILL uses its bullpen horribly. Regrettably, that's a game engine issue I really can't address.

__ Young major leaguers have had their star ratings redone. Guys like Victor Martinez, who are great players of the future but not still holding "prospect" status were given no stars by EA, meaning their development curve will essentially crash, ruining their careers. That won't happen anymore.

__ Free agent pitcher staminas were also adjusted (they got caught up in the MVPEdit glitch where a global AA edit also grabs the FAs).

__ Steal aggressiveness ratings were tweaked to bring total team SBs up to real life. It had been the main base stealers would steal but nobody else would ever try. That's been adjusted a bit.

__ Baserunning ratings were also adjusted, as it seemed runners were making too many mistakes. This also affects runner aggression, which seems more realistic to me now. It's a subtle change, but it helps, IMO.

__ A series of ratings adjustments for many players. Small things usually, but guys I saw who were a bit over/underrated got touch-ups.

__ I raised the floors on movement for major leaguers, which cuts down on quick minor league callups and also cuts down on pitchers with astronomical ERAs. My fear with pitchers always lies with overrating the top and underrating the bad. Upon review, I think I was still guilty of this to a degree, so I tried to adjust it.

__ I raised the floor on plate patience also because some guys were just getting killed by poor patience ratings. In sims, I've concluded the plate patience rating is a HUGE impact, not just on walks, but on average as a whole.

__ GLobal touchups to bring down the offense as a whole. Too many 5+ ERAs before.

__ I raised major league closer stamina by 50%. Closer ERAs seemed too high. This is mostly due to the fact that the game engine's whole roster management AI is completely flawed, particularly the bullpen management. But this at least helps a bit.

__ I added 10 players who had played in the majors this year but were not in the set yet. Falkenborg, Parra, Little, Villacis, Kroon and some others. They are on the free agent list.

__ I did a ton of work with pitching prospects. Because the game rates star rating so strongly into current overall rating (which is incredibly stupid), minor league pitchers were getting called up well before they were ready. The result is them staying on the roster and getting shelled. I boosted them a bit to counteract this. Though they still get to the majors more quickly than they should, they perform like decent 4/5 starters, which I can live with. No more 7+ ERAs.

__ Star ratings were adjusted for major leaguers, particularly relievers. Relievers tended to get low star ratings, which makes the computer more eager to replace them because of the foolish way the game engine ties star rating into current value. Also, increasing the star rating counters the drops in ratings some had mentioned.

__ After a lot of research I determined the game's park factors are fine. I have no idea how they implemented the ratings, and they don't really make much sense to me, but the numbers look more realistic with them than with my revised park factors, which seemed to cut offense too dramatically

__ Tied into the above, I am not releasing a progress.big file right now. However, I will release one shortly. I just want to look over progression items a bit more to get this set. I expect it in a week or so. But I ran Bill Harris' v2 progression through and saw none of the drastic changes some had mentioned. I also urge you again though, LOOK AT RESULTS, NOT RATINGS!!! There's a reason guys are rated as they are...I promise. Play them out and you'll see the numbers, more often than not, are on target.

Hopefully you will enjoy the rosters. I will post my sliders (I play on All-Star) sometime in the morning, but I'm exhausted.

GH

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These rosters are really excellent work,

I've simmed a few seasons with the new rosters and the rookie pitchers are still getting called up due to the dumb game engine, but they aren't getting trashed like they were before, so this has to be a good thing. Good work on trying to get round the silly rating system.

I've also gone through and added all the new audio ids that came with EA patch 3 and changed the created ids to ones compatible with the total portraits/total minors roster ids. Is it ok to upload this version for people who want to use it?

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These rosters are really excellent work,

I've simmed a few seasons with the new rosters and the rookie pitchers are still getting called up due to the dumb game engine, but they aren't getting trashed like they were before, so this has to be a good thing. Good work on trying to get round the silly rating system.

I've also gone through and added all the new audio ids that came with EA patch 3 and changed the created ids to ones compatible with the total portraits/total minors roster ids. Is it ok to upload this version for people who want to use it?

Not sure what would have needed to be changed. I have LeVerre's IDs on every player in the set, so that should be taken care of.

Thanks for the compliments.

GH

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is this your last release GForce? :(

For this year, yes. I'd like to play the game at some point :)

Odds are that this is the last TotalMinors ever. Time constraints with work and family commitments will prevent me from being able to put the time in it takes to do the rosters in the depth and detail I do. If I can't do it like I want to, I won't do it.

There's a chance I will do an all-time roster project next year, something that isn't as time sensitive. I hate that I'm still releasing versions in July, but that's what happens when real life commitments are plentiful.

We'll see when next year comes around, but I'll have a new baby and a 2 year old to take care of, and that's certainly more important than doing this.

I appreciate all the support for my work over the past 4 years.

GH

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Not sure what would have needed to be changed. I have LeVerre's IDs on every player in the set, so that should be taken care of.

Thanks for the compliments.

GH

In the new EA patch a few days ago about 50 players were given new audio ids so I've added those into Total Minors 4 and I changed the created ids to the other system so people who have the other portrait set installed don't have to renumber every portrait which would obviously take a lot longer than renumbering the rosters.

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In the new EA patch a few days ago about 50 players were given new audio ids so I've added those into Total Minors 4 and I changed the created ids to the other system so people who have the other portrait set installed don't have to renumber every portrait which would obviously take a lot longer than renumbering the rosters.

Could you e-mail me the file at ghenglein@yahoo.com?

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Thanks for all the hard work Gforce your rosters are simply the best hands down. My games are awesome because of your work, Mvp is the first baseball I have purchased since Tony larussa for genisis.

The changes that you have made have turned a good game into the best game I have ever played. I play mvp more than Ncaa 2005, and I use to play college football(go terps '96).

Anyway thankyou very much had hope your able to finally enjoy the game yourself now.

Peace out!!

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yes krawitham.

good here we go then

All-Star Rosters

This is for Total 4

there are 2 versions one that just updates the allstar rosters for total 4 and one that updates the allstar rosters and incorporates jpup's t3plus roster changes as well

download and replace the roster.dat with this file if you just want updated allstar rosters

http://www.krawhitham.com/mvp/total4/roster-total4.rar

download and replace the roster.dat with this file if you want updated allstar rosters and jpup's t3plus roster changes

http://www.krawhitham.com/mvp/total4/roster-total4-plus3.rar

no attributes are changed just rosters

about the allstar rosters

I had to cut the roster down to 25 players

All teams have at least one player

I removed all replacement players

I kept all voted in players

8 Pitchers per team just like EA all-star teams

AL was easier than the NL

1st the NL have more teams THANKS SELIG your team should had never been movied

2nd the AL had like 7 starters from different teams while the NL only had 6 (counting JR)

Anyway some people were cut that I would of rather had but I need at least 1 player from each team

if you want to add this to you own (home made) roster copy and replace the AL & NL all star teams in the roster.dat

DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, I will not walk anybody through it

here is the NL





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Woo hoo!

Where's that stupid smilie-face-holding-up-a-beer-mug icon when you need it? :mrgreen:

I think GeForce's Total Minors this year, given the complexity of the work he's done and the sheer amount of effort involved, probably qualifies as one of the greatest, if not the greatest, mod ever made to a sports game. And my vote would be that it's the greatest.

And I don't think there is any question at all that the summed MVP mods (Total Minors, cameras, balls/bats, unis, datafile.txt, and of course the fantastic stadiums) are, by far, the greatest sports mods ever made. They're so outstanding that I'm not sure I'll update to MVP 2005 next year.

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good here we go then

All-Star Rosters

This is for Total 4

there are 2 versions one that just updates the allstar rosters for total 4 and one that updates the allstar rosters and incorporates jpup's t3plus roster changes as well

download and replace the roster.dat with this file if you just want updated allstar rosters

http://www.krawhitham.com/mvp/total4/roster-total4.rar

download and replace the roster.dat with this file if you want updated allstar rosters and jpup's t3plus roster changes

http://www.krawhitham.com/mvp/total4/roster-total4-plus3.rar

no attributes are changed just rosters

about the allstar rosters

I had to cut the roster down to 25 players

All teams have at least one player

I removed all replacement players

I kept all voted in players

8 Pitchers per team just like EA all-star teams

AL was easier than the NL

1st the NL have more teams THANKS SELIG your team should had never been movied

2nd the AL had like 7 starters from different teams while the NL only had 6 (counting JR)

Anyway some people were cut that I would of rather had but I need at least 1 player from each team

if you want to add this to you own (home made) roster copy and replace the AL & NL all star teams in the roster.dat

DO NOT DO THIS UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, I will not walk anybody through it

here is the NL





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I think that you just saved me a whole lot of time. I thought I was going to have to start completely over.

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krawhitham, you are my new best friend. that will allow me to get these rosters perfected much quicker. Thanks again. I'll have to go back through all of them and fix player number, etc., but this really helps.

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It's not really important but I found a couple of minor mistakes with the player ids in checking them against LeveRRe's player id lists.

Andy Marte ATL AA should be 8511 not 9511

Jason Childers MIL AAA should be 8203 not 1613

I think there may be a couple more but I haven't got all of Leverre's player id team lists to be sure yet.

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