llcmac Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Personally I hate seeing Tony Batista getting signed and playing SS somewhere, I hate seeing Pujols playing 3B and Rolen benched, I hate seeing Ichiro/Vlad playing somewhere other than RF. Thanks to McCarroll21 for making this list. Ok I'm bored so I'm going to do something... Every player that should have a second position will be listed with their positions. This is coming from the Depth Charts on MLB.com. If there is something wrong on this list just say it, don't get upset. I took them straight off the Depth Charts listed on MLB.com unless I knew something was different. Everyone not listed on this list should only have one position, I made a note on some guys who were once thought to be utility players that have now settled into one position on here. I think this does a pretty good job of cutting down on the utility players who only play the infield or something like that. Like I said, if there's something wrong, just post the correction and if it seems sufficient I'll edit this post to reflect that. I'm sure you know your teams better than I do, I'm just going by the depth charts. One guy I'm looking forward to hear from is Millennium about David Newhan. The depth charts only had CF listed and I haven't seen them enough this year to know differently right off the top of my head. Anyway, I see this as a good starting point... American League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B Angels......Darin Erstad......1B.......OF A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS A's......Keith Ginter......2B......3B A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF.........UTIL Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B.........3B Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez......LF......1B Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......SS Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B........SS Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS......3B Indians......Casey Blake........RF......3B Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF Orioles......David Newhan......CF.....Util Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......OF Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......Util Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B Tigers......Craig Monroe......CF......OF Tigers......Marcus Thames......RF......LF Tigers......Jason Smith......3B......2B Tigers......Omar Infante......2B......SS Tigers......Brandon Inge......3B......C Tigers......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF Twins......Nick Punto......2B......Util Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......Util Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF National League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B Braves......Brian Jordan......LF.....RF Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B Cardinals......Reggie Sanders.....LF........RF Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......OF Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......UTIL Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B....SS Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B.....3B Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......OF Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C........1B Dodgers......Jeff Kent.......2B......1B Giants......Pedro Feliz......LF......Util Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......IF Marlins......Miguel Cabrera.....RF......LF Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......Util Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B........SS Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF Padres......Robert Fick......1B......OF Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......Util Padres......Ryan Klesko......LF.....1B Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF Phillies......Tomas Perez......SS......IF Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF Phillies......Chase Utley......2B....1B Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......CF......IF Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF......LF Pirates......Ty Wiggington....3B........1B Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B Reds......Felipe Lopez.....SS.........IF Look up your team and give us feedback.... Don't say," Well pujols can play 3b or OF." Pujols will never play another position. And it is not like you can't play him at third in the game anyways. Give us some good info if you want it changed, like spring training info or last year. Don't say," Well [insert name] can play any pos " because all I'll tell you is," No ****, I can also play any pos, doesn't mean I am good at it." It's very simple, make smart posts, no fighting or Homers allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbmagicfan Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 will this affect the fielding rating of the player if you change there position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 llcmac and others, here's the list I've compiled so far for the NL SOURCE: mlb.com TEAM -- 1st/2nd position (why?) ATLANTA Marcus Giles – 2B only (only played 8 games in MLB at 3B) Andruw Jones – CF only Brian Jordan – LF/RF (he played ’04 in RF) Raul Mondesi – RF only Rafael Furcal – SS only (hasn’t regularly played 2B since rookie year) CHICAGO Todd Walker – 2B only (only played 5 games (all in relief) at 1B in career) Michael Barrett – C only Jose Macias 2B/UTIL Corey Patterson – CF only (primarily used as CF) Jerry Hairston Jr. – 2B/OF CINCINNATI Ken Griffey Jr. – CF only (seriously, is their any other position he’s going to play) Adam Dunn – LF/RF or 1B (listed 2nd position is OF, he won’t play CF) Wily Mo Pena - RF/CF COLORADO Aaron Miles – 2B only Garrett Atkins – 3B only Preston Wilson – CF only Clint Barmes – SS only (Rockies’ regular SS) FLORIDA Juan Pierre – CF only (no other position played) Miguel Cabrera – RF/LF (hasn’t played 3B regularly in a few years) Note: he just played last night at 3B, but still one game is not enough HOUSTON Willy Tavares – LF (mainly played CF/LF in minors) LOS ANGELES Milton Bradley – CF/OF JD Drew – RF/CF (according to ESPN.com, he has only played 3 games in CF this year, the other 32 has been in RF) Cesar Izturis – SS only (hasn’t played 2B regularly in a couple of years) MILWAUKEE JJ Hardy – SS only (was kind of surprised to see UTIL) Carlos Lee – LF only Geoff Jenkins – RF/LF NEW YORK Doug Mientkewics – 1B only (only played 2B w/ ’04 Sox ‘cause of injuries & for a short period) Carlos Beltran – CF only PHILADELPHIA Chase Utley – 2B/IF Kenny Lofton – CF only Pat Burrell – LF only Bobby Abreu – RF only PITTSBURGH SAN DIEGO Mark Loretta – 2B only (played 2B for a few years now) Khalil Greene – SS only (has never played 1B in majors) SAN FRANCISCO Ray Durham -- 2B only (has never played OF in majors) Pedro Feliz – 3B/LF or UTIL (played primarily 3B entire career, only played 1B in ’04 due to injury to Snow) Barry Bonds – LF only Mike Matheny – C only (wow, I never knew he played 1B…LOL) Moises Alou – RF/LF (before coming to SF, he was an everyday LF) ST LOUIS Albert Pujols – 1B (has not played any other position in 3 years) John Mabry – LF/3B (rarely played 1B in the last couple years) Jim Edmonds – CF only (hasn’t played 1B or any other OF slot in a couple of years) Reggie Sanders -- LF/RF (Moved to LF after Walker deal) Larry Walker -- RF only David Eckstein -- SS only WASHINGTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 llcmac and others, here's the list I've compiled so far for the NL SOURCE: mlb.com TEAM -- 1st/2nd position (why?) ATLANTA Marcus Giles – 2B only (only played 8 games in MLB at 3B) Andruw Jones – CF only Brian Jordan – LF/RF (he played ’04 in RF) Raul Mondesi – RF only Rafael Furcal – SS only (hasn’t regularly played 2B since rookie year) CHICAGO Todd Walker – 2B only (only played 5 games (all in relief) at 1B in career) Michael Barrett – C only Jose Macias 2B/UTIL Corey Patterson – CF only (primarily used as CF) Jerry Hairston Jr. – 2B/OF CINCINNATI Ken Griffey Jr. – CF only (seriously, is their any other position he’s going to play) Adam Dunn – LF/RF or 1B (listed 2nd position is OF, he won’t play CF) Wily Mo Pena - RF/CF COLORADO Aaron Miles – 2B only Garrett Atkins – 3B only Preston Wilson – CF only Clint Barmes – SS only (Rockies’ regular SS) FLORIDA Juan Pierre – CF only (no other position played) Miguel Cabrera – RF/LF (hasn’t played 3B regularly in a few years) Note: he just played last night at 3B, but still one game is not enough HOUSTON Willy Tavares – LF (mainly played CF/LF in minors) LOS ANGELES Milton Bradley – CF/OF JD Drew – RF/CF (according to ESPN.com, he has only played 3 games in CF this year, the other 32 has been in RF) Cesar Izturis – SS only (hasn’t played 2B regularly in a couple of years) MILWAUKEE JJ Hardy – SS only (was kind of surprised to see UTIL) Carlos Lee – LF only Geoff Jenkins – RF/LF NEW YORK Doug Mientkewics – 1B only (only played 2B w/ ’04 Sox ‘cause of injuries & for a short period) Carlos Beltran – CF only PHILADELPHIA Chase Utley – 2B/IF Kenny Lofton – CF only Pat Burrell – LF only Bobby Abreu – RF only PITTSBURGH SAN DIEGO Mark Loretta – 2B only (played 2B for a few years now) Khalil Greene – SS only (has never played 1B in majors) SAN FRANCISCO Ray Durham -- 2B only (has never played OF in majors) Pedro Feliz – 3B/LF or UTIL (played primarily 3B entire career, only played 1B in ’04 due to injury to Snow) Barry Bonds – LF only Mike Matheny – C only (wow, I never knew he played 1B…LOL) Moises Alou – RF/LF (before coming to SF, he was an everyday LF) ST LOUIS Albert Pujols – 1B (has not played any other position in 3 years) John Mabry – LF/3B (rarely played 1B in the last couple years) Jim Edmonds – CF only (hasn’t played 1B or any other OF slot in a couple of years) Reggie Sanders -- LF/RF (Moved to LF after Walker deal) Larry Walker -- RF only David Eckstein -- SS only WASHINGTON I'm sorry, but That list really sucks. That's the same list you posted in the other topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abacusand13south Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Ok I'm bored so I'm going to do something... Every player that should have a second position will be listed with their positions. This is coming from the Depth Charts on MLB.com. If there is something wrong on this list just say it, don't get upset. I took them straight off the Depth Charts listed on MLB.com unless I knew something was different. Everyone not listed on this list should only have one position, I made a note on some guys who were once thought to be utility players that have now settled into one position on here. I think this does a pretty good job of cutting down on the utility players who only play the infield or something like that. Like I said, if there's something wrong, just post the correction and if it seems sufficient I'll edit this post to reflect that. I'm sure you know your teams better than I do, I'm just going by the depth charts. One guy I'm looking forward to hear from is Millennium about David Newhan. The depth charts only had CF listed and I haven't seen them enough this year to know differently right off the top of my head. Anyway, I see this as a good starting point... American League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B Angels......Darin Erstad......1B Only A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS A's......Keith Ginter......2B......IF A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF Only Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez......LF......RF Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......3B Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B Only Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF Indians......Casey Blake......RF Only Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS......IF Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......OF Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......SS Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B Royals......Craig Monroe......CF......OF Royals......Marcus Thames......RF......LF Royals......Jason Smith......3B......2B Royals......Omar Infante......2B......SS Royals......Brandon Inge......3B......C Royals......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF Twins......Nick Punto......2B......SS Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......CF Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF National League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B Braves......Brian Jordan......LF Only...... Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B Cardinals......Albert Pujols......1B Only Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......CF Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......IF Cubs......Todd Hollandsworth......LF Only Cubs......Jeromy Burnitz......RF Only Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF Diamondbacks......Jose Cruz......CF Only Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B Only Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B Only Diamondbacks......Shawn Green......RF Only Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......RF Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF Dodgers......Jeff Kent......2B Only...... Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C Only Giants......Pedro Feliz......IF......LF Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF Giants......Edgardo Alfonzo......3B Only Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......SS Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......3B Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B Only...... Mets......Jose Reyes......SS Only...... Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF Padres......Robert Fick......C......OF Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......IF Padres......Mark Loretta......2B Only Padres......Phil Nevin......1B Only Padres......Ryan Klesko......LF Only Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF Phillies......Tomas Perez......1B......IF Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF Phillies......Chase Utley......2B Only Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......3B......2B Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF Only Pirates......Ty Wigginton......3B Only Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util Reds......Felipe Lopez......SS Only Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B Edited to correct: Very Very impressive and comprehensive list, I have a few corrections that could be made to the list from what youve already gathered. I would possibly change ginter to make 3b his second position because hes not real likely to get any time at short, hell oakland isnt even real comfortable with mark ellis at short and he is pretty good defensively. Frank catalonotto could be a great great utility player if toronto would use him like he is meant to be used like texas used him. He could have a second position of utility if llc and hypp think he should. Eduarado perez I think should have 1b as his second position as that is where he is best defensively and gets some time there. Nick green and jorge cantu are almost the same defensive player but if either of them should have if as there second position it should be cantu as he is more likely to play short. Alex gonzalez should have second as short I dont know why any team would play him at third he doesnt hit enough. Casey blake is kind of debatable he could play third, hell he should be starting at third over boone and put jody gerut in right but boones contract says otherwise. Peralta if he isnt playing short he will on the bench or at third, he actually projects as a thirdbasemen because of his body type. Many in the front office actually beleive he will follow the same path as thome, short to third to first. Scary isnt it jim thome playing short. Newhan millenium will back me up on this he is the ideal utility player all except for his arm. He can hit and is fast and hustles can play anywhere except short. Marrero secon position should be 1b he has actaully been starting at first a few games a week. Mcewing second should be utility yes hes terrible at every position but hes a util. The tigers are tough infante and inge are guys who were utility last year but now are full time at one position so im not sure what you do with them. Punto as previously stated is a utility guy who has played everywhere and has been getting loads of time a second. Willie harris see punto except for the starting gig. Mike lamb he was playing lf early this year and terribly i might add but he looks good with 3b and 1b. Jason Repko can play all three of spots and is good defensively at all three. Kent I would say should have 1b as his second, before perez and valentin went down and saenz got hot there was the liklihood that kent would slide over to first with perez playing second against lefties. Feliz the guy can and has played every except 2b and cf.so whatever his main position is he should be a util. Damion easley needs to atleast have a second position of IF and possibly util. Heres his games played from 2004-05, 18 at first, 40 at second, 19 at short, 7 at third, and 5 in right feild. Chase utley should only be 2b and 1b. Mackowiak should be 3b and util or if you wanted to keep him being util make him cf/IF. Wiggington should be 1b as his second position hes been playing there against lefties since wilson went down. Felipe lopez should be ss/ IF he has been starting at second over jimenez lately and is also an option at third. But as I said before a very good list youve made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 American League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B Angels......Darin Erstad......1B Only 2nd position should be OF, he has won a couple gold gloves there. A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS A's......Keith Ginter......2B......IF A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF Only Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only has been a 3B exclusivley over his career Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez......LF......RF plays 1B also, should be 1B/OF Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......3B Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B Only was a SS exclusivley last yr. Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF Indians......Casey Blake......RF Only Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS......IF Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......OF Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......SS Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B Royals......Craig Monroe......CF......OF Royals......Marcus Thames......RF......LF Royals......Jason Smith......3B......2B Royals......Omar Infante......2B......SS Royals......Brandon Inge......3B......C Royals......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF Twins......Nick Punto......2B......SS Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......CF Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF National League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B Has played LF a lot this year, 1st position: LF, 2nd:IF Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B Braves......Brian Jordan......LF Only...... Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B Cardinals......Albert Pujols......1B Only Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......CF Has played all of OF, so he should be OF as his 2nd pos. Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......IF WTF? Macias plays all three OF positions, 2nd position should be UTIL Cubs......Todd Hollandsworth......LF Only Cubs......Jeromy Burnitz......RF Only Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF Diamondbacks......Jose Cruz......CF Only Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B Only played SS almost exclusivly last yr/ Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B Only played 3B almost exclusively last year. Diamondbacks......Shawn Green......RF Only Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......RF Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF Dodgers......Jeff Kent......2B Only......Has played 1B before Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C Only played 1B a lot last year Giants......Pedro Feliz......IF......LF Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF Giants......Edgardo Alfonzo......3B Only Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......SS Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......3B Has played 1B and OF also this year Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B Only...... Mets......Jose Reyes......SS Only...... Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF Padres......Robert Fick......C......OF Woah, He is not even regularly a C, should be 1B/OF Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......he played every position in 2003 besides Pitcher and Catcher, should have UTIL Padres......Mark Loretta......2B Only Padres......Phil Nevin......1B Only Padres......Ryan Klesko...... p mainly was a 1B earlier in his career and has played enough games in the past (15 last year) to warrant having 1B as his 2nd position Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF Phillies......Tomas Perez......1B......IF Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF Phillies......Chase Utley......2B Only plays 1B Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......3B......2B Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF Only played LF all last year if I'm not mistaken Pirates......Ty Wigginton......3B Only Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util Reds......Felipe Lopez......SS Only Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B My comments in bold. In conclusion, this is another horrible list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybernetic Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only 3B is actually his main position.. he's played 3B for his first 3 years in the league and for most of the minors before moving to 1B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AI03 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 How about Peter ORR (Atl) - 2b and UTIL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSpooge Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 cubsfaninfla, you obviously don't have a grasp on what's trying to be accomplished here so I don't see why you keep throwing in your 2 cents and bad mouthing everything. Make YOUR changes to YOUR copy of the rosters and shut the hell up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 cubsfaninfla, you obviously don't have a grasp on what's trying to be accomplished here so I don't see why you keep throwing in your 2 cents and bad mouthing everything. Make YOUR changes to YOUR copy of the rosters and shut the hell up. Oh boy, that scared me off. :roll: I'm just trying to help put the best rosters by adding my two cents in. These lists are severely messed up. SEVERELY! And BTW: I don't see you adding input to help make the rosters better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
llcmac Posted May 16, 2005 Author Share Posted May 16, 2005 List updated to this point in the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainSpooge Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 And BTW: I don't see you adding input to help make the rosters better. Your input's not adding anything to help the rosters either...that's the whole point. :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Your input's not adding anything to help the rosters either...that's the whole point. :roll: Really, wow, I could of sworn changing 2nd positions around and making them right was helping. I guess not, oh mighty one! :roll: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 I'm sorry, but That list really sucks. That's the same list you posted in the other topic. Actually, its not quite the same list, I made some changes if you bothered to look. (Like Utley, etc) And these are all according to mlb.com Plus, if you disagree w/ mine atleast tell me what's wrong (I've already read your post and corrected the ones I thought needed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Oops, double-post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfaninfla Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Actually, its not quite the same list, I made some changes if you bothered to look. (Like Utley, etc) And these are all according to mlb.com Plus, if you disagree w/ mine atleast tell me what's wrong (I've already read your post and corrected the ones I thought needed to be. Almost all of it is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 My comments in bold. In conclusion, this is another horrible list. Jason Phillips -- C/1B Placido Polanco -- 2B/IF Matt Lawton -- RF/LF (Most of his games in '04 were in LF) Chase Utley -- 2B/IF or just 1B (he played some at 1B (and 3B in minors)) Xavier Nady -- LF/OF (I don't think you can put their main position as OF, IF or UTIL) Chad Tracey -- 1B/3B Jerry Hairston -- 2B/OF (most of his OF experience has been RF w/ O's) Jay Gibbons -- 1B/RF (he doesn't play CF or LF) Erik Hinske -- I agree w/ "boldman" this is an exception, he has played 3B as recently as last year Jose Macias -- 2B/UTIL (he plays all over the place) Jay McEwing -- 2B/UTIL (same w/ him) Alex Gonzalez -- 3B/SS (same as Hinske) Eduardo Perez -- 1B/RF or LF (not OF, 'cause he'll get time at CF that way, which he shouldn't) JOse Cruz -- CF/RF (only moved to CF to accomadate Shawn GReen's arrival) Lance Berkman -- LF/OF (I agree he plays RF, but he also has time in CF) Not a bad list, just suggesting some alternatives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texasrangers13 Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Gary Matthews Jr. (Rangers) Should be RF/OF, not CF/RF, he's started at least 3 games at each OF spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Almost all of it is wrong. Give me some examples, because I don't believe any of its wrong. I double-check mlb.com (remember this is just for last few years). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hh20xxconvert Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 I updated based on the first post and noticed that some teams don't have enough position flexibility with their backup players using a pure MLB.com approach. I'm not sure what the AI might do if no one backs up a position, but if the highest rated hitter ends up as 'first choice' backup, the solution might be as bad as the problem. So, I made sure the backup CF covered the whole OF, and the backup SS had IF coverage for each team. Seems like a quick fix that shouldn't be too far from 'real world', and beats everyone as a 'UTIL'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegz Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 Personally I hate seeing Tony Batista getting signed and playing SS somewhere, I hate seeing Pujols playing 3B and Rolen benched, I hate seeing Ichiro/Vlad playing somewhere other than RF. Thanks to McCarroll21 for making this list. Look up your team and give us feedback.... Don't say," Well pujols can play 3b or OF." Pujols will never play another position. And it is not like you can't play him at third in the game anyways. Give us some good info if you want it changed, like spring training info or last year. Don't say," Well [insert name] can play any pos " because all I'll tell you is," No [naughty word], I can also play any pos, doesn't mean I am good at it." It's very simple, make smart posts, no fighting or Homers allowed. Indians are all good, but Casey Blake has played LF, RF, 1B, 3B, he has worked out almost everywhere but Pitcher and Catcher! I think he would be a util. Other then that the Indians ar dead on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 llcmac, check out the bold ones llcmac and others, here's the list I've compiled so far for the NL SOURCE: mlb.com TEAM -- 1st/2nd position (why?) additions/changes ARIZONA – oops, I left DBacks off my original list Koyie Hill – C only (has never played 1B in Majors) Chris Snyder – C only (has never played 1B in majors) Jose Cruz Jr. – CF/RF (primarily RF in 2004, moved over to accommodate Shawn Green) Luis Gonzalez – LF only (has played primarily LF over the past few years) Troy Glaus – 3B only (was only rumored to play 1B, never played it) ATLANTA Marcus Giles – 2B only (only played 8 games in MLB at 3B) Andruw Jones – CF only Brian Jordan – LF/RF (he played ’04 in RF) Raul Mondesi – RF only Rafael Furcal – SS only (hasn’t regularly played 2B since rookie year) Jorge Sosa – RP (debatable, but has been primarily a RP in 04/05) Adam Bernero – RP (again debatable, same as above) CHICAGO Todd Walker – 2B only (only played 5 games (all in relief) at 1B in career) Michael Barrett – C only Jose Macias 2B/UTIL Corey Patterson – CF only (primarily used as CF) Jerry Hairston Jr. – 2B/OF CINCINNATI Ken Griffey Jr. – CF only (seriously, is their any other position he’s going to play) Adam Dunn – LF/RF or 1B (listed 2nd position is OF, he won’t play CF) Wily Mo Pena - RF/CF COLORADO Aaron Miles – 2B only Garrett Atkins – 3B only Preston Wilson – CF only Clint Barmes – SS only (Rockies’ regular SS) Dustan Mohr – RF/LF (doesn’t play CF) FLORIDA Juan Pierre – CF only (no other position played) Miguel Cabrera – RF/LF (hasn’t played 3B regularly in a few years) Note: he just played last night at 3B, but still one game is not enough HOUSTON Willy Tavares – LF (mainly played CF/LF in minors) LOS ANGELES Milton Bradley – CF/OF JD Drew – RF/CF (according to ESPN.com, he has only played 3 games in CF this year, the other 32 has been in RF) Cesar Izturis – SS only (hasn’t played 2B regularly in a couple of years) Jeff Kent – 2B only (debatable) (but after doing some fact checking, I found out since 2002, he’s only played 11 games at 1B, 9 in ’02, 2 this year) MILWAUKEE JJ Hardy – SS only (was kind of surprised to see UTIL) Carlos Lee – LF only Geoff Jenkins – RF/LF NEW YORK Doug Mientkewics – 1B only (only played 2B w/ ’04 Sox ‘cause of injuries & for a short period) Carlos Beltran – CF only Cliff Floyd – LF only (hasn’t played RF since 2002) PHILADELPHIA Chase Utley – 2B/IF Kenny Lofton – CF only Pat Burrell – LF only Bobby Abreu – RF only Placido Polanco – 2B/IF (IF debatable) (until this year he has been an IF) PITTSBURGH Jose Castillo – 2B only (only played 2 innings at SS in career) Matt Lawton – RF/LF SAN DIEGO Mark Loretta – 2B only (played 2B for a few years now) Khalil Greene – SS only (has never played 1B in majors) SAN FRANCISCO Ray Durham -- 2B only (has never played OF in majors) Pedro Feliz – 3B/LF or UTIL (played primarily 3B entire career, only played 1B in ’04 due to injury to Snow) Barry Bonds – LF only Mike Matheny – C only (wow, I never knew he played 1B…LOL) Moises Alou – RF/LF (before coming to SF, he was an everyday LF) Edgardo Alfonzo – 3B only (has not played 2B regularly since 2002; 11 games since ‘02) ST LOUIS Albert Pujols – 1B (has not played any other position in 3 years) John Mabry – LF/3B (rarely played 1B in the last couple years) Jim Edmonds – CF only (hasn’t played 1B or any other OF slot in a couple of years) Reggie Sanders -- LF/RF (Moved to LF after Walker deal) Larry Walker -- RF only David Eckstein -- SS only WASHINGTON Jose Guillen – RF/LF (other than a few games in ’03, he has played either LF or RF) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy6finger Posted May 16, 2005 Share Posted May 16, 2005 I updated based on the first post and noticed that some teams don't have enough position flexibility with their backup players using a pure MLB.com approach. I'm not sure what the AI might do if no one backs up a position, but if the highest rated hitter ends up as 'first choice' backup, the solution might be as bad as the problem. So, I made sure the backup CF covered the whole OF, and the backup SS had IF coverage for each team. Seems like a quick fix that shouldn't be too far from 'real world', and beats everyone as a 'UTIL'. Can you give me an example of a couple of teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCarroll21 Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 Updated List: Changes are in bold CubsFan, since you seem so much more happy with the way things are right now, the changes you've said have been reflected where I think they need to be. Remember we're not doing these rosters based on what they did in 2004, or in Klesko's case 1999. These reflect the depth charts every team has out on MLB.com for 2005. You don't see people wanting to move Smoltz back to closer, even as bad as Kolb has been. These rosters are for 2005 and what happens beyond that, not what has happened in the past. I understand that there are some changes to be made from the depth charts but for the most part these are correct. I had an explanation written up over every change you asked for, but it was erased in switing from Word to here. Sorry about that, but its not like I don't want to make changes to my precious little list because I have, but only the ones that are valid. These changes also reflect any other changes that have been made in this thread. American League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Angels......Jeff DaVanon......RF......OF Angels......Juan Rivera......RF......LF Angels......Chone Figgins......3B......Util Angels......Maicer Izturis......SS......IF Angels......Dave Matranga......2B......IF Angels......Robb Quinlan......3B......1B Angels......Darin Erstad......1B Only A's......Eric Byrnes......LF......OF A's......Charles Thomas......LF......OF A's......Bobby Kielty......RF......LF A's......Matt Watson......LF......RF A's......Mark Ellis......2B......SS A's......Keith Ginter......2B......IF A's......Marco Scutaro......SS......IF A's......Adam Melhuse......C......1B Blue Jays......Frank Catalanotto......LF Only Blue Jays......Reed Johnson......RF......OF Blue Jays......Alex Rios......RF......CF Blue Jays......Eric Hinske......1B Only Blue Jays......Shea Hillenbrand......1B......3B Devil Rays......Carl Crawford......LF......CF Devil Rays......Alex Sanchez......RF......CF Devil Rays......Damon Hollins......CF......OF Devil Rays......Eduardo Perez.....1B......LF Devil Rays......Nick Green......2B......IF Devil Rays......Jorge Cantu......2B......3B Devil Rays......Alex Gonzalez......3B Only Indians......Coco Crisp......LF......CF Indians......Ryan Ludwick......LF......OF Indians......Casey Blake......RF......3B Indians......Jose Hernandez......SS......Util Indians......Jhonny Peralta......SS Only Indians......Alex Cora......SS......2B Mariners......Randy Winn......LF......CF Mariners......Willie Bloomquist......3B......Util Mariners......Scott Spezio......3B......1B Mariners......Greg Dobbs......3B......RF Mariners......Dave Hansen......1B......3B Orioles......Jay Gibbons......1B......OF Orioles......David Newhan......CF Only Rangers......Kevin Mench......RF......LF Rangers......Chad Allen......LF......CF Rangers......Gary Matthews......CF......RF Rangers......Mark Derosa......2B......IF Red Sox......Jay Payton......RF......OF Red Sox......Ramon Vazquez......3B......IF Red Sox......Kevin Millar......1B......LF Royals......Eli Marrero......LF......1B Royals......Joe McEwing......3B......Util Royals......Tony Graffanino......2B......3B Royals......Craig Monroe......CF......OF Royals......Marcus Thames......RF......LF Royals......Jason Smith......3B......2B Royals......Omar Infante......2B......SS Royals......Brandon Inge......3B......C Royals......Ramon Martinez......2B......IF Twins......Lew Ford......RF......CF Twins......Nick Punto......2B......Util Twins......Terry Tiffee......3B......1B Twins......Matt LeCroy......C......1B White Sox......Timo Perez......CF......OF White Sox......Juan Uribe......SS......IF White Sox......Willie Harris......2B......Util Yankees......Hideki Matsui......CF......LF Yankees......Tony Womack......LF......2B Yankees......Ray Sanchez......2B......IF National League Team......Player......1st Pos......2nd Pos Astros......Mike Lamb......3B......1B Astros......Lance Berkman......LF......RF Astros......Orlando Palmeiro......RF......LF Astros......Jose Vizcaino......SS......IF Braves......Pete Orr......2B......3B Braves......Ryan Langerhans......LF......OF Braves......Wilson Betemit......SS......3B Braves......Brian Jordan......LF Only Brewers......Chris Magruder......LF......OF Brewers......Bill Hall......2B......SS Brewers......Jeff Cirillo......3B......IF Cardinals......So Taguchi......CF......OF Cardinals......Roger Cedeno......RF......LF Cardinals......John Mabry......LF......3B Cardinals......Abraham Nunez......2B......IF Cardinals......Scott Seabol......3B......2B Cardinals......Albert Pujols......1B Only Cubs......Jerry Hairston......2B......OF Cubs......Niefi Perez......SS......IF Cubs......Jose Macias......3B......IF Cubs......Todd Hollandsworth......LF Only Cubs......Jeromy Burnitz......RF Only Diamondbacks......Luis Terrero......CF......OF Diamondbacks......Jose Cruz......CF Only Diamondbacks......Alex Cintron......SS......IF Diamondbacks......Craig Counsell......2B Only Diamondbacks......Matt Kata......2B......3B Diamondbacks......Chad Tracy......1B Only Diamondbacks......Shawn Green......RF Only Dodgers......Ricky Ledee......LF......OF Dodgers......Milton Bradley......CF......OF Dodgers......JD Drew......RF......CF Dodgers......Jason Repko......LF......RF Dodgers......Jose Valentin......3B......IF Dodgers......Jason Grabowski......LF......1B Dodgers......Olmedo Saenz......1B......3B Dodgers......Oscar Robles......3B......IF Dodgers......Jeff Kent......2B......1B Dodgers......Jason Phillips......C Only Giants......Pedro Feliz......1B......Util Giants......Deivi Cruz......SS......2B Giants......Jason Ellison......LF......RF Giants......Michael Tucker......RF......CF Giants......Moises Alou......RF......LF Giants......Edgardo Alfonzo......3B Only Marlins......Jeff Conine......LF......1B Marlins......Damian Easley......2B......IF Mets......Mike Cameron......RF......CF Mets......Eric Valent......RF......1B Mets......Chris Woodward......SS......Util Mets......Marlon Anderson......2B......LF Mets......Miguel Cairo......2B......Util Mets......Kaz Matsui......2B Only Mets......Jose Reyes......SS Only Nationals......Ryan Church......CF......OF Nationals......Brad Wilkerson......LF......1B Nationals......Jeffrey Hammonds......LF......RF Nationals......Jamey Carroll......3B......IF Nationals......Carlos Baerga......2B......IF Nationals......Tony Blanco......3B......1B Padres......Xavier Nady......OF......3B Padres......Mark Sweeney......1B......LF Padres......Robert Fick......C......1B Padres......Miguel Ojeda......C......LF Padres......Damian Jackson......2B......IF Padres......Mark Loretta......2B Only Padres......Phil Nevin......1B Only Padres......Ryan Klesko......LF Only Phillies......Jason Michaels......CF......OF Phillies......Tomas Perez......1B......IF Phillies......Placido Polanco......2B......IF Phillies......Chase Utley......2B......1B Pirates......Rob Mackowiak......CF......IF Pirates......Matt Lawton......RF......OF Pirates......Ty Wigginton......3B......1B Reds......Ryan Freel......2B......Util Reds......Felipe Lopez......SS......IF Reds......Adam Dunn......LF......1B Reds......Austin Kearns......RF......OF Reds......Willy Mo Pena......CF......RF Reds......Javier Valentin......C......1B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhath Posted May 17, 2005 Share Posted May 17, 2005 hey cubs fan... thats CAPTAIN spooge to you... no really... he thinks hes a captian... that would mean all he does is criticize you and your work while all he does is relax in a lazyboy keep up the work cubsfan... i agree with u... theyd better not implement this in the rosters until they have it halfway accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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