SwinginSoriano Posted November 27, 2005 Author Share Posted November 27, 2005 The White Sox didn't have MVP players, they had tons of talented players that had something to prove because everyone (including me) doubted them. (At least I picked them to win the ALCS and WS, otherwise I have doubted them.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevattac Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 The White Sox didn't have MVP players, they had tons of talented players that had something to prove because everyone (including me) doubted them. (At least I picked them to win the ALCS and WS, otherwise I have doubted them.) Right I agree, I didn't say I voted for them because they are a team of MVPers, but because they played like a team of MVPers, and they should be commended for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Can you bring up a comparision of the two after the All-Star Break? Why would a comparison of the two after the All Star Break matter any more than the split from before the All Star Break? Rodriguez was better than Lee in the second half, and Lee was monstrously better than anyone else in the first. In the end, Lee had a bigger year, and as we all know, Rodriguez is one of the worst clutch performers in the entire sport. Playing third won't make that big of a difference, they're both corner positions and while a third baseman is going to get more tries, a first baseman with range is ridiculously useful. Lee is a more useful defender because he can scoop anything out of the dirt, thus making the rest of his entire infield better. While Rodriguez has to cover for Jeter's lack of range, he doesn't make anyone else any better. So Lee hits better, has a better SLG, hits nearly twice as many doubles, and is a better defender. Once again, why is this a competition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataris812 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 I would say Lee just for the simple fact that A-Rod was already on the cover of Triple Play 99. Besides that, Lee did put up MVP numbers, he was just on a team that didn't do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogar84 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 C'mon Lee! Let's compare him to Rodriguez: BA OPB SLG EQA HR 2B K H VORP Lee: .335 .418 .662 .344 46 50 109 199 106 Rodriguez: .321 .421 .610 .337 48 29 139 194 99.7 Now in fielding: Rate2 E Lee: 109 6 Rodriguez: 95 12 So, why are people voting for Rodriguez over Lee? Because A-Rod is a millions times more popular than Lee, who is a low-key guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhath Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 really sean... its a conspiracy.. you see all these yankee fans and other ppl voting for arod... they arent true baseball fans.... they are women who think arod is hotter than lee, therefore they want him on the cover... :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Why would a comparison of the two after the All Star Break matter any more than the split from before the All Star Break? Rodriguez was better than Lee in the second half, and Lee was monstrously better than anyone else in the first. In the end, Lee had a bigger year, and as we all know, Rodriguez is one of the worst clutch performers in the entire sport. Playing third won't make that big of a difference, they're both corner positions and while a third baseman is going to get more tries, a first baseman with range is ridiculously useful. Lee is a more useful defender because he can scoop anything out of the dirt, thus making the rest of his entire infield better. While Rodriguez has to cover for Jeter's lack of range, he doesn't make anyone else any better. So Lee hits better, has a better SLG, hits nearly twice as many doubles, and is a better defender. Once again, why is this a competition? So that's a 'No'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogar84 Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 really sean... its a conspiracy.. you see all these yankee fans and other ppl voting for arod... they arent true baseball fans.... they are women who think arod is hotter than lee, therefore they want him on the cover... haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 So that's a 'No'? Well, I was under the mistaken impression that people here weren't lazy enough to put up their own stats, so yeah i'll post it: Pre: BA OPB SLG HR 2B K H Lee: .378 .452 .733 27 27 61 119 Rodriguez: .317 .416 .582 23 17 103 Post: BA OPB SLG HR 2B K H Lee: .287 .380 .581 19 23 41 80 Rodriguez: .325 .426 .643 25 12 76 91 So while Rodriguez beat Lee by .038 after the ASB, Lee annihilated .061 him before the break. Plain and simple, Lee had one of the best halves of any player of the past 20 years, and even if he had a less than stellar second half, he undoubtedly had the better season. As for that other post, pfft, I hope no one actually thinks Rodriguez is an attractive person. Though, to be honest I have a hard time looking at him without thinking of a). skin folds rippling because of the glove, and . him prancing down the line replete with heels and handbag slapping Arroyo's glove. Bottom line, overpaid weenie shouldn't be the face of baseball, someone like the D-train should. Plus, it would be nice to have someone who hasn't been on a cover in the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Sean O strikes me as being very angry. At this point, I'm not sure exactly what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Sorry, I'll go back to fellating Albert Pujols, the best player of any sport ever if that will make you feel better. I get peeved when people are too lazy to do their own work and don't bother to pay attention to information. Just because you hate the Cubs, and believe me I'm in greater agreement with you than you'd imagine, doesn't mean that Lee isn't the best NL player in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOKI Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Again, one of the rules was that a player wouldn't be nominated if he was on a cover before... So why is A-Rod even on the competition? Fraud! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted November 27, 2005 Share Posted November 27, 2005 Sorry, I'll go back to fellating Albert Pujols, the best player of any sport ever if that will make you feel better. I get peeved when people are too lazy to do their own work and don't bother to pay attention to information. Just because you hate the Cubs, and believe me I'm in greater agreement with you than you'd imagine, doesn't mean that Lee isn't the best NL player in 2005. That wasn't the arguement I was making, atleast not here. It's just that in about every post you've made about this custom cover, both Round 1 and 2, you come off as hostile. I don't know why. You jumped on me for suggesting putting the MVP and the Cy Young from the same team on a cover together, when I wasn't really suggesting it as the best choice. The reason I brought up ARod and DLee in the second half was because while ARod choked BIG TIME come playoffs, offensively he and Jeter carried the Yankees after the All-Star Break. Sure, guys like Matsui, Giambi and Cano got hot, but ARod and Jeter stayed consistent and carried their team and patchwork bullpen to the playoffs. Derek Lee cooled off while his team was well out of the playoff hunt. Derek Lee is a great player, I'm not disputing that. But the same reasons Pujols got the MVP over Lee are probably the same reasons ARod will move on in this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwinginSoriano Posted November 27, 2005 Author Share Posted November 27, 2005 In the end, Lee had a bigger year, and as we all know, Rodriguez is one of the worst clutch performers in the entire sport. He isn't the worst, come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwinginSoriano Posted November 27, 2005 Author Share Posted November 27, 2005 Here are the final results, I'm making the FINAL ROUND poll right now, who will our MVP06 Coverboy be? Alex Rodriguez or Dontrelle Willis? Andruw Jones 17% [ 19 ] Dontrelle Willis 28% [ 30 ] Alex Rodriguez 25% [ 27 ] Derek Lee 19% [ 21 ] Chicago White Sox 8% [ 9 ] Total Votes : 106 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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