BigDaddyCool Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 This is to decide who to put on the NL All-Star roster for our All-Timer roster project. Write-in candidates are also welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudge77 Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Go Bench! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Uh, people, no. Bench: .267 .342 .476, OPS+ 126 Piazza: .309 .379 .549, OPS+ 144 I don't care about fielding, Piazza is in another class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I don't care about fielding Then expect to get stollen on alot and be chasing a bunch of passed balls to the backstop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Then expect to get stollen on alot and be chasing a bunch of passed balls to the backstop. Piazza is not a tremendous defender, but no way he is that much worse than Bench. It's not like catcher defense is anywhere near as important as ss or CF, just sit there and hope your team won't acquire Tim Wakefield. Dude put up a .362 .431 .638 line in an extreme pitcher's park, with 40 homers, as a catcher. holy crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farkwhar Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I think alot of people voting don't know anything about the history of baseball and the great players of yesteryear... It's ashame... Piazza by the way couldn't be a bat boy for hartnett breshnanhan or lombardi... of course don't want to **** anyone off... just my opinion... thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 GET OFF MY LAWN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarginto Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 I think alot of people voting don't know anything about the history of baseball and the great players of yesteryear... It's ashame... Piazza by the way couldn't be a bat boy for hartnett breshnanhan or lombardi... of course don't want to **** anyone off... just my opinion... thanks Yeah, I think that's a bit of a stretch pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farkwhar Posted May 24, 2007 Share Posted May 24, 2007 Pitching is weak today... Piazza's defense is HORRIBLE... He couldn't throw my grand daughter out at 3rd much less second... He should have moved to 1st a decade ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroEric Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Disclaimer: My granddaughter is Jackie Joyner Kersee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 piazza may not be the greatest at defense, but his offense is far superior. not even close. but he's still far from the mackey sassers of the world on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxbjr Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 it was a tough choice between bench and piazza but i remember bench being one of the toughest old school guys i ever saw play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 so that's why you chose piazza...right? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarginto Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Pitching is weak today... Piazza's defense is HORRIBLE... He couldn't throw my grand daughter out at 3rd much less second... He should have moved to 1st a decade ago... If you say pitching is weak today, I want to see some sort of evidence to back that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxbjr Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 lol , no. bench would have beat clemens into the ground if he had thrown at him like clemens did at piazza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 yeah, i'm curious about this. i can see the power numbers are up. but is pitching actually down these days? come on sean o, pull your magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 lol , no. bench would have beat clemens into the ground if he had thrown at him like clemens did at piazza. So would Kluszewski, or Wily Mo Pena, but that doesn't mean they're the best ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarginto Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Yeah, to this day that still bugs me how Piazza didn't beat the **** out of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
el_jefe061 Posted May 25, 2007 Share Posted May 25, 2007 Piazza was an amazing hitter, but in no way is he an all around better catcher than Bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56RedLegs Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Sean, You wrote: Piazza is not a tremendous defender, but no way he is that much worse than Bench. YGTBSM!!!! Bench made Piazza look like a high schooler. I've been watching baseball since 1960 and I'll tell anyone, that I can count on one hand the number of catchers who even approached Bench in terms of just defense - and NOBODY has had his arm. NOBODY. Now hitting, I'm willing to give the edge to the Pizzaman - hell of a hitter. But Bench won WAY more games with just his Glove than Mike Piazza did with both. Regards, Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmet06 Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 The best defense is a good offense. Piazza, hands down. He's good defensively, framing and blocking the plate. The only down side is his arm, but you can't give up his power numbers just because his gun's lost a little firepower (okay, maybe more than a little). With an efficient team, stolen bases should be more than made up for by stellar pitching and defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigFreelFan Posted January 1, 2008 Share Posted January 1, 2008 Brick wall brother, I mean a fricking brick wall. If you are from Cincinnati, or have watched 70's baseball, or even understand how a player fits into the grand scheme of what use to be a team sport, I really don't need to say more. The guy fit into a team that had more egos than a 20's era yankee team, and still managed to do alot. The only reason, and I mean ONLY reason his stats aren't as good as Piazza, is because on THE BIG RED MACHINE, he didn't have to do it all. Trust me, Piazza had more of a load requirement on him, and he delivered. He's what some could argue, clutch, that doesn't make him Bench. But I do love to watch a guy burn 'em down at second, be a clutch hitter........and did I mention....a brickwall at the plate. Oh, and I was a dodger fan for years.....in Cincinnati, so give me no crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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