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#1 danc

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:34 PM

Hey,
Has anybody seen a book or books that have info on which
pitches different pitchers threw throughout history? How
far back has information on this been collected formally?
I am guessing that after a certain point the stats/info
would be very hard to come by for any pitcher other than
the Hall of Fame guys.
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#2 Yankee4Life

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:55 PM

No danc. I've never even heard of a book like this but I will keep my eyes out for it now.
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#3 DylanBradbury

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 05:59 PM

Hey,
Has anybody seen a book or books that have info on which
pitches different pitchers threw throughout history? How
far back has information on this been collected formally?
I am guessing that after a certain point the stats/info
would be very hard to come by for any pitcher other than
the Hall of Fame guys.



The Neyer/James Guide to Pitchers is what you're looking for. It was written in 2003, and has a lot of information to that point. There are pitchers who pitched in the 1800's in the book, so it goes pretty far back too!

Hope that helps!
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#4 Maestro23

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:08 PM

DB strikes again. Never doubt him... ever. 8)
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#5 Yankee4Life

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Posted 07 June 2010 - 06:14 PM

I'm sorry I posted in here. :lol:
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 09:58 AM

that book is a must have for any roster modder. it's by far the best available resource for pitches. another possible source for pitches is Baseball Mogul. it's a simulation game and has this information in it as well.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:02 AM

DB, and Homer are spot on. I have that book, and it is by far one of the best references for baseball roster creation that you will ever find.

The only short coming is the fact it only goes up until 2003, but there are other resources out there for current pitchers.

EDIT: I had originally found this book in Google books, and was able to find out quite a bit just in the limited previews they allow. I was sold, and had to find a copy of it to get for myself.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:08 AM

what sources do you use for more current guys?
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 10:11 AM

I have that book and use it all the time. I also found that Baseball Mogul is surprisingly good when it comes to pitch types. When creating rosters, I use both resources. Sometimes I'll compare the pitch types shown in the book and the pitch types shown in Baseball Mogul, and so far, they've always matched. That gives me confidence to trust the Baseball Mogul listings when I need the pitch types for a pitcher not listed in the book. I'll just use the pitch types listed for the pitcher in Baseball Mogul.

Baseball 2011 is available on the sportsmogul.com website but if you run a Google search, you can find older versions that you can download for free.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:05 PM

what sources do you use for more current guys?


It's not as good IMO, but it uses the MLB fx stuff to determine pitches. I know most people don't think it's all that accurate, but it's about all we have.

This is Carlos Zambrano's page.

If you actually go to the site, and do a search for a pitcher, I think you have to scroll down most of the way to get to pitch selection data.

Fan Graphs


I know there are other sites that use the fx stuff as well.

EDIT: For some reason the link isn't loading, but just go to fan graphs, and search for a pitcher. It's all there.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:22 PM

what sources do you use for more current guys?


I mentioned it before in the cool website thread, but 60ft 60 in is a great resource for pitchers who are pitching today.
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Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:44 PM

I have that book and use it all the time. I also found that Baseball Mogul is surprisingly good when it comes to pitch types. When creating rosters, I use both resources. Sometimes I'll compare the pitch types shown in the book and the pitch types shown in Baseball Mogul, and so far, they've always matched. That gives me confidence to trust the Baseball Mogul listings when I need the pitch types for a pitcher not listed in the book. I'll just use the pitch types listed for the pitcher in Baseball Mogul.

Baseball 2011 is available on the sportsmogul.com website but if you run a Google search, you can find older versions that you can download for free.


Yep, these resources were used extensively for the TC rosters that have been done and 'updated' throughout their TC history here on MVP Mods.
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#13 danc

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 06:22 PM

Wow,
Thanks guys.
Amazingly I purchased the James/Neyer book last night on a guess.
I guess, I guessed, right. Fantastic!
I also purchased James' New Historical Abstract book.
How is that one?
Thanks again.
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