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"Classic" Yankee Stadium - W.I.P.

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Have started to work some more on Classic Yankee Stadium (1950 or so) this time with most of the work being done in OEdit. My idea is to get everything as close as possible to the original except the fences. Changing the dimensions with the way this model is layed out is practically impossible to do according to 2 of the best modders in know. Anyhow, here's a pic if anyone's interested.

yankee3.jpg

Lots of work to do yet but starting to get a better feel I think.

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ask seano if he is willing to do the walls for you...that will make this compelete.

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ask seano if he is willing to do the walls for you...that will make this compelete.

In short, EA made Yankee Stadium really difficult to mod, but it is possible. For a while I was working on my own modification of Classic Yankee Stadium, but dealing with all the math and the bleachers pretty much burned me out.

(This following section contains a lot of detail, so if you don't want to know more than you need to about Yankee Stadium, skip ahead)

The main problem (i've explained this to a bunch of people before, but I'll reiterate), if you want to get technical, is that the actual field of Yankee Stadium has changed places on 3 different occasions. When it opened in 1923, the field was roughly 60' backwards of where homeplate currently resides. Also, just as a fun fact, the original right field line was a ridiculous 258, with a slight bit of the bleachers creating a deadly corner. In 1928 this was remedied since it was so dangerous, and the field was moved 30' forward. This remained the same until the 1976 revisions, when it was moved about 30' forward again, and sunk 7' down into the ground. This is why the first row of the left and right field corners used to be right on the ground, as opposed to several feet in the air. So to create a fully accurate version, every single vertex in EA's Yankee Stadium would have to be moved backwards 30' and upwards 7', exactly, a task no human being would want to attempt. Also, at this point the first several rows that were added in the 70's would have to be removed to create a uniform 3' wall all around the foul ground.

So this alone would be a big task. But next, and what I had been working on when I gave up, was the process of changing the bleachers. I'll use an example from Clem's Baseball site (http://andrewclem.com/Baseball/YankeeStadium.html) now:

1937 version:

YankeeStadium1937.gif

1988 version:

YankeeStadium1988.gif

You can see that for whatever reason, they carved a giant hole in the left field power alley area where they put in monument park and the bullpens and whatnot that used to be seating. Adding seats to this section is extremely difficult, for the following reason:

yankee701.jpg

The seating area in the bleachers, as you can see in the two images above, have to curve around the perimeter of the field, while the back parts of each bleacher section originate at a completely differently curved point. That's hard enough as it is, but Yankee Stadium also had that rising wall (both the concrete section and fence), so each individual bleacher section must twist in all three dimensions. I managed to modify the bleachers so that the more or less parallel section was done, but gave up before I tried to fill in the monument park area because I would've lost my mind. Also, you have to keep in mind that Day and Night Yankee Stadium had different configurations for the center field screen, along with different crowds, so you can see why this is a nightmare.

So here's the way I was approaching it. You can see if you go to clem's site that the 1988 revision just moved the left field power alley in from 430 to 399, while the wall still remained out there. Also, if you mouse over the 1937 and 1976 link on that page, you'll see that, all things considered, it's not a huge difference from the original. So what should be done, unless someone actually does want to move every pixel around and then remove several rows, is to rearrange the walls and the collision data back to the 1976 revision, only with a slightly more direct path to the straight center field bleacher wall. Once this is done, rebuild the bleachers to fit with the new wall, and somehow put the crowd back up there, which will certainly not be fun. Then, adjust the left field corner to make it ground level, and add the graphics for the wall + fence for the bleacher section, and the big batter's eye screen in dead center.

It's not easy, but it is possible to create a more accurate version. Whether it will ever really be released is anyone's guess. I can't imagine anyone but EA really being able to create an accurate Classic Yankee Stadium.

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Sean, I sent you an email. Man, I'm sure impressed with all this information!

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Man, I'm surprised more people aren't responding to this, since it's about as highly sought-after as any park in the majors. Oh well.

Anyway, if anyone has weird or rare photos from Yankee Stadium (meaning ones not from ballparks.com, ballparktour.com, ballparksofbaseball.com, or the Yankee Stadium book), I would appreciate it. It doesn't really matter what era it's from (as long as it's pre-1976, of course), since everything will help out in some manner.

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I believe when this work is finished it will be just as impressive as the Ebbets Field project and we all know how beautiful that one turned out. I will be following this one closely because this is my favorite stadium! Thank you.

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This is my favorite stadium too. Ebbets Field was the Sistine Chapel of ballparks - Yankee, in it's day - a true Cathedral.

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There is some footage of Mantle and Maris from 1950's and 60's Yankee Stadium as bonus footage on 61*, Mantle, and When it Was a Game...all HBO products.

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Not sure if these are any help, but here's some screen captures of 1950s Yankee Stadium from a documentary I have

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50syank43hy.th.jpg50syank54kj.th.jpg

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I can't wait for this to come out. Now, I can have even a more "classic" feel to Total Classics (not that it isn't classic already) with the '50s and '60s Yankees dynasties. :wtg:

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Great pics hory! Awesome. I'm definetly going to use these as a reference for myself

Been making some progress. Here's a shot I took tonight. Still a ways to go.

yankee_update.jpg

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Excellent-are you going to make the left and right field walls shorter like they are in the picture-lower in height ?

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