philliesphan18 Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 Come to think of it, if EA releases a game for PC, they will virtually be forced to make it better than what the amazing modders here have done, otherwise, no one will spring for it. Check that, only people who are diehards or can't get their hands on MVP will spring for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I'd buy it if they put in new animations and higher resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted March 15, 2008 Share Posted March 15, 2008 I just want a widescreen PC baseball game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfalvey Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I think some people are missing the point timay and KC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfalvey Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 I think some here are missing the general point timay and KC have brought up. It's not that EA hasn't made some good games or that 2k is immune from making some stinkers, as well. It's that once EA acquires TT, they will almost certainly drop all 2k sports games assuring them with virtually no competition for the video sports game industry. Once they've done that, they can afford to rest on their laurels because they will be the only game in town. If you don't believe me, just look at how little Madden has progressed in the last 3 years since EA bought the NFL exclusive license. As a gamer, it seems logical to think that EA would let the 2k sports continue on their own/combine the best of the 2 lines/support the better product. Unfortanetly, that's just not how these takeovers work. They will continue producing only EA sports games (regardless of quality vs the 2k line) and will discontinue the 2k altogether. Regardless of whether you prefer EA or 2k sports, from a gamers perspective, this is bad news. Both companies benefit from the others competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kccitystar Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Couldn't have said it any better myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Unit Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 good points pfalvey, it makes sense to do those things and it would be fair, but logic is constantly defied in life and it's very unfair. We could still hope for the best however. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Having the two companies to compete against each other really doesn't motivate the two companies to make a better game. Only 1 thing does and that is sales numbers. Whether there are 2 companies or not, if sales lag behind what EA expects them to be, that will be what motivates them to make a better game, not that EA is putting out a crappy but flashy sports game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dannyt Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 If EA does aquire 2K, wouldn't it technically be a monopoly and therefore against the law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timay Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 no because other video game companies can make sports games, but choose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Why would it be a monopoly since there are a lot of companies that are able to still make video games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timay Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Having the two companies to compete against each other really doesn't motivate the two companies to make a better game. Only 1 thing does and that is sales numbers. Whether there are 2 companies or not, if sales lag behind what EA expects them to be, that will be what motivates them to make a better game, not that EA is putting out a crappy but flashy sports game. please explain the madden series. it is the same **** year after year, ESPECIALLY on the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 please explain the madden series. it is the same **** year after year, ESPECIALLY on the PC. PC games rarely see massive updates from year to year. I can't speak with authority on Madden these past 2 years because I haven't purchased it...however, I will say that EA made great improvements to NCAA Football for the 360 from Year 1 to Year 2. Also, if you look, Madden was higher rated than the clunky All-Pro 2k8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfalvey Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Having the two companies to compete against each other really doesn't motivate the two companies to make a better game. Only 1 thing does and that is sales numbers. Whether there are 2 companies or not, if sales lag behind what EA expects them to be, that will be what motivates them to make a better game, not that EA is putting out a crappy but flashy sports game. It surely does motivate them to make better games. If there is no competition, the people making decisions at these companies can figure they can afford to cut costs to maximize their profit. They may decide to cut resources for their sports division since they have less risk now of losing sales to a competitor. That's just one example, there are other ways the lack of competition would effect the companies. The people making decisions at these companies really couldn't care less about the quality of their product, they work to please the shareholders and to maximize the shareholders profit. If that means buying out the competition and cutting costs, which leads to less features/lower quality product, then that's what they'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreLegend Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 The problem with your model is that you think that gamers can buy sports games or nothing at all. That's not true. They will lose gamers to other franchises, sports or not. Pleasing share holders by maximizing profit and quality products are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfalvey Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 The problem with your model is that you think that gamers can buy sports games or nothing at all. That's not true. They will lose gamers to other franchises, sports or not. Pleasing share holders by maximizing profit and quality products are not mutually exclusive. In regards to your first point, yes, other games are competing for gaming dollars. However, if someone wants to play a football game, or a baseball game, there will only be one option. Sure, other types of games are competition, but not directly. Nobody will satisfy their desire to play video game football by buying Call of Duty 4. If they maximize profit by cutting resources/costs (which was my assertion), then yes product quality will suffer. You may think they'll do business as usual after eliminating their only real competition, however, that's not what EA has done since getting the exclusive NFL rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRog Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 In EA's defense, they have been trying to make Madden better each year but they just focus too much on the extra features and not on the gameplay. Edit: I was talking about the Madden for Xbox and PS3. The PC version is, as Sean said, the same for 07 and 08 with only rosters as there difference really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean O Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 In regards to your first point, yes, other games are competing for gaming dollars. However, if someone wants to play a football game, or a baseball game, there will only be one option. Sure, other types of games are competition, but not directly. Nobody will satisfy their desire to play video game football by buying Call of Duty 4. Right, but this very site is proof that there are other options. There are still people who play Madden 05 exclusively in spite of the updates, and obviously we've been able to change MVP greatly since it was released. I didn't get Madden '08 because it's virtually the same as Madden '07. Luckily there are modders out there for plenty of games, and they definitely cut into sales. As long as there are modders, game makers will have to essentially compete against their past products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meteamo Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 In regards to your first point, yes, other games are competing for gaming dollars. However, if someone wants to play a football game, or a baseball game, there will only be one option. Sure, other types of games are competition, but not directly. Nobody will satisfy their desire to play video game football by buying Call of Duty 4. If they maximize profit by cutting resources/costs (which was my assertion), then yes product quality will suffer. You may think they'll do business as usual after eliminating their only real competition, however, that's not what EA has done since getting the exclusive NFL rights. If someone wanted to play a sport game this year ... let's say baseball for example, why wouldn't many people on these two sites just buy and play the only option there seems to be ... it wouldn't make sense that all of these people are still playing a game from 2005 when another baseball game is currently out there. Obviously, then that's not the only option. The main goal for a software company such as 2K, EA and every other company is to make money. As long as the profits are good enough then the stock value should increase and the shareholders should be happy. One way to make a game better is through competition. It's true but it's not the only way. However, where that logic is flawed is for sport games where one company or another company has the exclusive license. The same arguments people are having for EA and how the quality of the sport games would decrease because of having no competition is basically the same argument anyone can have for a company such as 2K when they have the exclusive license or when EA had the exclusive license. This argument can go round and round in circles to no avail. And as far as the other games that don't have exclusive licenses, there still will be other companies (as well as new programmers who may still be in school and even frequent these sites) that will force this big companies to pump out the highest quality games they possibly can. And if they can't make quality games because of any of this, people won't buy their products or not as much as otherwise. Their profits won't be maximized, their stock may go down and the share holders may be unhappy ... because otherwise everyone here would have the only baseball game currently available instead of playing a 3 year old baseball game for the PC. This is I'm assuming one of the reasons why these sites were created. It is in the best interest of everyone to provide a best game possible. What pure gamers and these companies think may be different but when it comes down to it at the end of the day, it's all about the money. Follow the money. BTW ... it's called self control. If you don't like something the way it is, you don't have to buy it. They aren't forcing you to buy anything. And as far as what EA will most likely do if they do acquire Take Two, they will probably give some Take Two's managers a severance package, place their name alongside Take Two's name, work on how they can combine their technologies best, pump some extra money into Take Two, wait and see if the middle management and programmers can make more profit and after a while whatever happened to or is happening to these other companies that EA acquired, Take Two may follow suit. Whether it be like Cingular and AT&T or K-Mart and Sears, we'll see. Questions >>> If you were an EA shareholder, would you want this acquisition to take place? Does Take Two have want it takes to make a profit for EA? If it wasn't for GTA, what would Take Two's outlook be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffa Posted March 17, 2008 Share Posted March 17, 2008 Read from an italian site clansgame.com that on next 24 March there will be another offer to the Take2's stockholders. Can anyone from USA confirm this new? As pc owner I can only hope that EA is going to retain MLB rights...we'll get a chanche they publish a new baseball game for pc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 EA bought http://www.gtaforums.com/ for 3.4 Million Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrigleyville33 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Well, this is the start for the take over of 2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krawhitham Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 or an April fools joke maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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